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'The Scientist' is a song by the rock band Coldplay. The song was written collaboratively by all the band members for their 2th album, A Rush of Blood to the Head. It is built around a piano ballad, with its lyrics telling the story about a man's desire to love and an apology. The song was released in the United Kingdom as the second single from A Rush of Blood to the Head and reached number 10 in the UK Charts. It was released in the United States as the third single and reached number 18 on the US BillboardModern Rock Tracks chart and number 34 on the Adult Top 40 chart.

The Scientist is a very mellow song about trying to analyze a broken relationship. The music video is famous for its reverse chronology (which required Chris Martin to learn the song backwards in. The Scientist is a very mellow song about trying to analyze a broken relationship. The music video is famous for its reverse chronology (which required Chris Martin to learn the song backwards in order to make it look like he was singing forwards as he walked backwards).

Critics were highly positive towards 'The Scientist' and praised the song's piano ballad and falsetto. Several remixes of the track exist, and its riff has been widely sampled. The single's music video won three MTV Music Video Awards, for the video's use of reverse narrative. The song was also featured on the band's 2003 live album Live 2003 and has been a permanent fixture in the band's live set lists since 2002.

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Background[edit]

Lead singer Chris Martin wrote 'The Scientist' after listening to George Harrison's All Things Must Pass.^[1] In an interview with Rolling StoneMagazine, Martin revealed that while working on the band's second album, A Rush of Blood to the Head, he knew that the album was missing something.^[2] One night, during a stay in Liverpool,^[3] Martin found an old piano that was out of tune. He wanted to work on Harrison's song, 'Isn't It a Pity', but he could not manage to do so. When the song came to Martin, he asked that the recorder be turned on.^[2] He concluded by saying that he came across this chord sequence and noted that the chord was 'lovely'.^[4] Martin recorded the vocals and piano takes in a studio in Liverpool.^[5]

When asked about the development of the song, during a track-by-track reveal, Martin said: 'That's just about girls. It's weird that whatever else is on your mind, whether it's the downfall of global economics or terrible environmental troubles, the thing that always gets you most is when you fancy someone.'^[6] The liner notes from A Rush of Blood to the Head, on the other hand, states that 'The Scientist is Dan.', with Dan referring to Dan Keeling, the A&R man who signed the band to Parlophone.^[6]

Composition[edit]

'The Scientist' is a melancholic, piano-driven ballad written in the key of F major.^[7][8] The lyrics to the song allude to a man's powerlessness in the face of love.^[9][10] It begins with the main four-chord piano melody created by lead singer Chris Martin, transitioning to him singing the first verses. He is then joined by the rest of the band after the first chorus. In addition to the main piano melody, the music of the song is created by a string arrangement,^[11] harmony, acoustic guitar, with its rhythm being slow tempo drums and bass guitar riffs. Zip files free download microsoft. Towards the end of the song, electric guitar riffs can be heard as lead guitarist Jonny Buckland switches from acoustic to lead guitar.

Release[edit]

Coldplay released 'The Scientist' in Europe on 4 November 2002 as the album's second single. The single was pressed with two B-sides: '1.36' and 'I Ran Away.'^[12] While preparing for the song as the album's second release, the band's US label felt the song failed to 'provide enough of a blood rush for American listeners'; instead, they released 'Clocks' as the second single in the US.^[13] The song was released on 15 April 2003 in the US.^[13]

'The Scientist' appeared on Australia Singles Chart at number 40 on 1 November 2003.^[14] It appeared on Billboard'sModern Rock Tracks at number 18.^[15] The song peaked at number sixteen at Canada Singles Chart. The song peaked at number 10 in UK Top 75 on 17 November 2002.^[16][17]

The single's cover, created by Sølve Sundsbø,^[who?][18] as with the album's other singles, features a band member, which in this case is drummer Will Champion.^{[clarification needed]}

Reception[edit]

'The Scientist' received widespread critical acclaim. Rob Sheffield of Rolling Stone Magazine, in his review of the album, wrote: 'The fantastic piano ballad 'The Scientist' .. [has] a cataclysmic falsetto finale that could raise every hair on the back of your neck.'^[19] Nick Southall of Stylus magazine wrote: 'The piano that chimes through 'The Scientist' is captured perfectly, the warm depression of each individual key caught rather than a shrill ringing as is so often the case.'^[20] Ian Watson of NME wrote: 'The Scientist' is a song inexorably linked with the endless night sky and the secret hopes and regrets of a hundred thousand strangers.'^[21]

In October 2011, NME placed it at number 37 on its list '150 Best Tracks of the Past 15 Years'.^[22] In 2009, Rolling Stone ranked it number 54 on its '100 Best Songs of the Decade' list.^[23]

Other versions[edit]

In 2003, 'The Scientist' was featured on Coldplay's live album Live 2003.^[24] The song was covered live by Aimee Mann and released on a special edition of her album Lost in Space.^[25]Natasha Bedingfield, Alex Band, Eamon, and Avril Lavigne covered the song on Jo Whiley's Live Lounge radio show.^[26][27][28] Also, Belinda Carlisle did a live rendition on the ITV1 reality show Hit Me Baby One More Time.^[29][30] The British female quartet All Angels did a choral arrangement of the song on their album Into Paradise which was released in 2007.^[31] The chords to this song are replicated by Sum 41 in their song 'Pieces.'^[32] In addition, the American television show MADtv did a parody of the video, called 'The Narcissist.'^[33] Coldplay's original version plus a cover of the track performed by Johnette Napolitano and Danny Lohner were featured in the 2004 film Wicker Park.^[34][35]Allison Iraheta and Kris Allen performed an acoustic duet of the song at Oprah Winfrey's 'No Phone Zone' rally in Los Angeles.^[36]

In 2011, Willie Nelson covered the song for a Chipotle Mexican Grill-sponsored short film titled Back to the Start, highlighting the problems of concentrated animal feeding operations.^[37] It also appears as the final track on his 2012 album Heroes. Nelson's version plays during the closing credits of the 2014 film The Judge.^[38] The song was used on 23 May 2011 episode of WWE Raw in a tribute video to wrestler 'Macho Man' Randy Savage who had died three days earlier.^[39] The song was performed in the Glee episode 'The Break Up' on 4 October 2012 by Cory Monteith, Darren Criss, Naya Rivera, Matthew Morrison, Lea Michele, Chris Colfer, Heather Morris and Jayma Mays.^[40] In 2014, Miley Cyrus covered the song at selected stops of her Bangerz Tour.^[41]Corinne Bailey Rae covered 'The Scientist' for the soundtrack to the 2017 film Fifty Shades Darker.^[42]Conor Maynard covers a few verses of the song in his Acoustic rendition of Kris Kross Amsterdam & Conor Maynard - Are You Sure? ft. Ty Dolla $ign.^[43]

Personnel[edit]

• Chris Martin – lead vocals, piano
• Jonny Buckland – acoustic and electric guitar
• Guy Berryman – bass guitar
• Will Champion – drums, backing vocals

Music video[edit]

The music video for 'The Scientist' was notable for its distinctive reverse narrative, which employed reverse video. The same concept had been previously used for Spike Jonze's 1995 music video for The Pharcyde's 'Drop'. The reverse video style had first been seen in 1989 for the video for the song 'The Second Summer of Love' by Scottish band Danny Wilson. In order for Martin to appear to be singing the lyrics in the reversed footage, he had to learn to sing the song backwards, which took him a month.^[44] The video was filmed at various locations, including London and at Bourne Woods in Surrey, before the first leg of the A Rush of Blood to the Head tour.^[44] It was directed by Jamie Thraves.^[44] The video was shot between 30 September – 3 October 2002, premiering on 14 October.^[45]

The video opens, looking down on Martin who is singing, as he lies on his back on a mattress. As the camera shot pulls back, the mattress is revealed to be outside. A cyclist cycles past in reverse and Martin leaps up from the mattress. He walks in reverse through a city, out into the suburbs and eventually crossing a railway line and into woods, picking up his suit jacket as he goes. Upon arriving at his car, a black BMW,^[46][47] he gets in and briefly passes out. A woman, at first shown lying unresponsive on the ground in front of the car, is shown flying back in through the shattered windscreen. The car rolls back up a hill in the woods and through a broken fence, which joins back together as the car passes through it. As the video closes, the couple is shown driving back up the road. It is revealed that Martin's passenger had removed her seat belt, in order to put her jacket on, just before the car accident, causing her death.^[44] Irish actress Elaine Cassidy portrays the female passenger.^[44]

In 2003, 'The Scientist' won multiple MTV Video Music Awards for Best Group Video, Best Direction, and Breakthrough Video.^[48] It was also nominated at the 2004 Grammy Awards for Best Short Form Music Video but lost to Johnny Cash's video for 'Hurt'.^[49] By May 2019 the video had received over 700 million views on YouTube.^[50]

Track listing[edit]

• '1.36' features Tim Wheeler of Ash on guitar.

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Charts and certifications[edit]

See also[edit]

References[edit]

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2. ^ ^abScaggs, Austin (16 June 2005). 'Q&A: Chris Martin'. Rolling Stone. Archived from the original on 1 September 2009. Retrieved 30 August 2008.
3. ^Oldham, James (July 2002). 'Coldplay Yellow Fever'. Auckland, New Zealand Newspaper.
4. ^'ShakenStir Interview about A Rush of Blood to the Head (September 2002)'. ShakenStir. Archived from the original(Internet Archive) on 28 October 2009. Retrieved 1 September 2008.
5. ^'Coldplay — The Scientist'. BBC Music. BBC. 18 November 2002. Retrieved 1 September 2008.
6. ^ ^ab'Coldplay E-Zine: Issue 6'(PDF). Coldplay.com. Archived from the original(PDF) on 8 April 2008. Retrieved 30 August 2008.
7. ^Parker, Nigel (23 August 2002). 'Coldplay's Rush is near-flawless'. BBC News. BBC. Retrieved 29 April 2009.
8. ^'The Scientist by Coldplay; sheet music'. Musicnotes.com. 2002. Retrieved 22 May 2018.
9. ^Gray, Christopher (4 October 2002). 'Phases and Stages — Record Review'. The Austin Chronicle. Retrieved 1 September 2008.
10. ^'The State of Coldplay'. Q. August 2002.
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13. ^ ^abWiederhorn, Jon (15 October 2002). 'Coldplay Singer Questions Whether He's The Devil'. MTV News. Retrieved 15 July 2008.
14. ^'Coldplay — The Scientist at Top40-Charts'. Top 40-Charts. Retrieved 3 September 2008.
15. ^'Artist Chart History — Coldplay'. Billboard. Archived from the original on 5 April 2013. Retrieved 2 September 2008.
16. ^Jones, Alan (12 March 2008). 'The 20 biggest selling albums of the 21st century'. Music Week. Retrieved 2 September 2008.
17. ^'Official UK Top 75: 17/11/02'. Vibe Waves. 17 November 2002. Archived from the original on 14 November 2007. Retrieved 2 September 2008.
18. ^'Sølve Sundsbø's best shot'. The Guardian. 14 February 2008. Retrieved 1 September 2008.
19. ^Sheffield, Rob (26 August 2002). 'A Rush Of Blood To The Head'. Rolling Stone. Retrieved 30 August 2008.
20. ^Southall, Nick (1 September 2002). 'Coldplay — A Rush Of Blood To The Head Review'. Stylus. Archived from the original on 12 October 2008. Retrieved 30 August 2008.
21. ^Watson, Ian (31 October 2002). 'Coldplay: The Scientist'. NME. Retrieved 30 August 2008.
22. ^NME.COM. '150 Best Tracks Of The Past 15 Years'. NME.COM.
23. ^'100 Best Songs of the 2000s'. Rolling Stone. 17 June 2011. Retrieved 19 April 2014.
24. ^Magill, Jeff (21 November 2003). 'Review: Mighty rush from world's best band'. Europe Intelligence Wire. Retrieved 29 September 2009.
25. ^'Blender:The 500 greatest songs since you were born'. Blender. Archived from the original on 13 July 2007. Retrieved 30 August 2008.
26. ^'Natasha Bedingfield 'The Scientist''. Imeem. Retrieved 3 September 2008.^{[dead link]}
27. ^'Run For Cover(s): Letters A to E'. Feedshow. 2 July 2005. Archived from the original on 10 July 2011. Retrieved 3 September 2008.
28. ^'Avril Lavigne 'The Scientist' – Coldplay Cover'. Mixtape Maestro. 9 July 2007. Archived from the original on 20 January 2008. Retrieved 3 September 2008.
29. ^'Living Legends Music: Belinda Carlisle'. Living Legends. Archived from the original on 10 January 2009. Retrieved 3 September 2008.
30. ^Semioli, Tom (29 May 2007). 'Johnette Napolitano — Running Scarred'. Amplifier Magazine. Retrieved 3 September 2008.
31. ^Jewers, Jack (21 November 2007). 'All Angels, Into Paradise'. BBC Music. BBC. Retrieved 3 September 2008.
32. ^'Coldplay vs. Sum 41 ANTI-plug'. Newmoanyeah. 24 January 2005. Archived from the original on 26 May 2012. Retrieved 3 September 2008.
33. ^'MADtv (season 9)'. Mad TV. Season 9. Episode 905. 1 November 2003. 60 minutes in. Fox.
34. ^Wicker Park (DVD). Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. 2005.
35. ^'The Scientist by Coldplay'. Song Facts. Retrieved 30 August 2008.
36. ^'Kris Allen & Allison Iraheta Don't Phone It In On 'Oprah' Duet'. Retrieved 5 August 2010.
37. ^'Willie Nelson Covers Coldplay's 'The Scientist''. Taste of Country. Retrieved 31 August 2011.
38. ^''The Judge' Ends With A Willie Nelson Coldplay Cover'. The Huffington Post. 6 September 2014.
39. ^https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDvXVP2iSNs
40. ^'[VIDEO] Cory Monteith + Glee cast perform Coldplay's 'The Scientist''. 103.5 KTU.
41. ^'Archived copy'. Archived from the original on 20 April 2014. Retrieved 22 April 2014.CS1 maint: Archived copy as title (link)
42. ^Wass, Mike (11 January 2017). ''Fifty Shades Darker' Soundtrack Features Halsey, Tove Lo & Nicki Minaj'. Idolator. Retrieved 11 February 2017.
43. ^Conor Maynard (6 March 2017), Kris Kross Amsterdam & Conor Maynard - Are You Sure? ft. Ty Dolla $ign (Acoustic), retrieved 10 March 2017
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45. ^'Coldplay — The Scientist'. Mvdbase.com. Retrieved 3 September 2008.
46. ^Though it was filmed in England, the car driven in the music video features a Wyoming license plate which had a design that was in use from 1983 to 1988 (although the car itself is right-hand drive). The vehicle in the video was a BMW E28 5 Series, manufactured from 1982 to 1988.
47. ^'The Scientist' at wikicoldplay.com
48. ^'Old and new battle for MTV awards'. BBC News. BBC. 27 July 2003. Retrieved 31 August 2008.
49. ^Sal Cinquemani and Eric Henderson. 'Forecast: 46th Annual Grammy Awards'. Slant. Retrieved 31 August 2008.
50. ^Scientist
51. ^'Australian-charts.com – Coldplay – The Scientist'. ARIA Top 50 Singles.
52. ^'Austriancharts.at – Coldplay – The Scientist' (in German). Ö3 Austria Top 40.
53. ^'Ultratop.be – Coldplay – The Scientist' (in Dutch). Ultratip.
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59. ^'Chart Track: Week 46, 2002'. Irish Singles Chart.
60. ^'Hits of the World - Italy'. Billboard. Nielsen Business Media, Inc. 7 December 2002. p. 78. Retrieved 28 June 2012.
61. ^'Dutchcharts.nl – Coldplay – The Scientist' (in Dutch). Single Top 100.
62. ^'Polish Singles Chart '.
63. ^'Official Scottish Singles Sales Chart Top 100'. Official Charts Company.
64. ^'Swedishcharts.com – Coldplay – The Scientist'. Singles Top 100.
65. ^'Swisscharts.com – Coldplay – The Scientist'. Swiss Singles Chart.
66. ^'Official Singles Chart Top 100'. Official Charts Company.
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68. ^'Coldplay Chart History (Adult Pop Songs)'. Billboard.
69. ^'Coldplay Chart History (Alternative Songs)'. Billboard.
70. ^'Certificeringer ifpi.dk'. IFPI Denmark. Archived from the original on 2 May 2018. Retrieved 7 May 2015.
71. ^'Italian single certifications – Coldplay – The Scientist' (in Italian). Federazione Industria Musicale Italiana. Retrieved 20 May 2019. Select '2019' in the 'Anno' drop-down menu. Select 'The Scientist' in the 'Filtra' field. Select 'Singoli online' under 'Sezione'.
72. ^White, Jack (29 November 2018). 'Coldplay's Official Top 20 biggest songs on the UK's Official Chart'. Official Charts Company. Retrieved 30 November 2018.
73. ^'British single certifications – Coldplay – The Scientist'. British Phonographic Industry. Retrieved 30 November 2018.Select singles in the Format field.Select Platinum in the Certification field.Type The Scientist in the 'Search BPI Awards' field and then press Enter.
74. ^'American single certifications – Coldplay – The Scientist'. Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved 21 February 2014.If necessary, click Advanced, then click Format, then select Single, then click SEARCH.

Notes[edit]

• Roach, Martin (2003). Coldplay: Nobody Said It Was Easy. Omnibus Press. ISBN0-7119-9810-8.

External links[edit]

• The Scientist on YouTube

Second or seventh single[edit]

Surely this was their seventh single - not second. See Coldplay discography#Singles. Or am I missing something? Peanut4 (talk) 00:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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You are correct, it is the seventh. I think whoever wrote it was probably thinking of the second from the album. --JD554 (talk) 07:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

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It passed. Just one question is it possible to add their chart positions. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 19:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The chart positions are mentioned. -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE) 20:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thats not what i ment, but who cears not a big deal any way. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 10:52, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

'Back to the star'[edit]

I was reading the article just now, and noticed in the Reception section a quote from a Rolling Stone editor that may leave a misleading impression. The reviewer says that the line is: 'Let's go back to the star'. I know this is kind of WP:OR; if you listen to the song it's not quite clear, but it sounds more like 'start' on every occasion. Also, every major lyric website (yes I know, lyric sites are oftentimes wikis) reports it as 'start' for every pre-chorus. I don't own the album, so I don't know what the lyric liner says. This may sound weak, but for the sake of the encyclopedia, I think this part of the quote needs to somehow be removed, because it may not be true. Comments? Jamie^☆S93 18:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

AFAIK, none of the Coldplay albums include lyrics, but the official website says 'start'. -- I need a name (talk) 20:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Good finding! Didn't know they had all that info on the website. I've excluding the lyric from the quote with a '..', and tried to keep it as original as possible by only changing the word 'with'. Best, Jamie^☆S93 21:00, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Austrian singles chart[edit]

How can this be considered a good article if it ain't stating its best peak position worldwide, which was at #8 in Austria.. Reidlos (talk) 20:07, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Source? -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE) 20:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

http://hitparade.ch/showitem.asp?interpret=Coldplay&titel=The+Scientist&cat=s

Wrong Category?[edit]

This article was put under the category 'Songs About Suicide'. That doesn't seem to be the correct category at all.Could someone make any needed corrections on this page and the category page? 170.211.148.46 (talk) 15:39, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Other Versions[edit]

The version of the song performed by Katelyn Epperly on the 9th Season of American Idol is in fact an 'Other Version' of the song. American Idol is a noted musical TV program that is highly viewed. The episode was viewed by more than 23 Million people. Three youtube videos combined have another 165,000 views with much commentary on the version performed by Katelyn Epperly. Katelyn is a musician and not a one off talent show participant. The interweb contains many articles about the performance. To remove the edit as being 'not notable' is an opinion of the editor. The factual evidence reveals it is a different version of the song, as well as being notable as described above. The interweb contains many articles about the performance. Further, in this same section there is a cite to a Voice contestant performing the song.

In addition, while a youtube video may not be an appropriate cite in most instances, this youtube videos documents that the performance happened on American Idol, although there are other cites including the full article of American Idol Season 9 on Wikipedia.

Further, Calidum says 'not important.' Many music listeners enjoy hearing different or alternative versions of popular songs. Wikipedia is a site to find out about those other versions. I went and listed to both the Willie Nelson Version of the song and the Voice contestant's version of the song after coming to this page. Katelyn Epperly's version of the song is readily available on the web as described above and providing this version to music enthusiasts is important.

Let's include the below in the article under 'Other Versions'

Thanks.70.91.216.5 (talk) 01:11, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

In 2010, American Idol contestant Katelyn Epperly performed the song on the 9th season of American Idol.^[1][2] The episode of American Idol, March 3, 2010, that Katelyn performed the song on was viewed by approximately 23 Million people according to Nielsen Ratings.^[3]

References

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3. ^'TV Ratings Top 25: Oscars, American Idol & The Big Bang Theory Top Weekly Broadcast Charts'. Tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com. Retrieved April 19, 2012.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.216.5 (talk) 00:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Should probably delete The Voice item as well, since it was only an audition. Softlavender (talk) 03:06, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I think it should be included as it appears to be a known rendition of the song. Also, I have not seen a valid reason why it should not be included. But if it is deleted, then the Voice one should be deleted as well. Glee should probably be deleted as well as it is an episode of a TV show just like American Idol, I'll assume that episode of Glee did not have as many viewers as AI.2601:182:C001:AAD1:ACF9:D78E:C819:213C (talk) 03:33, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Gee, 2601:182:C001:AAD1:ACF9:D78E:C819:213C, how did you just happen to come upon this obscure conversation on a very obscure Wikipedia talk page, having never having made a single edit to Wikipedia, mere minutes after this conversation started? Forgive us if we suspect you are a sockpuppet of the other IP, and discount your ill-considered (having never before even ventured upon Wikipedia) opinion. And you are even spouting the same nonsensical rhetoric about number of viewers. Softlavender (talk) 03:49, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Gee, Softlavender, I never purported to be a different user. I'm just on a different computer. You should ask yourself the same question, as you are suddenly on this obscure conversation. You weren't conversing with martin all day on another page were you? No, that couldn't of happened, right. I'm sure you weren't asked to come to this conversation and revert the page. Forgive me if I suspect that you are ganging up. Additionally, none of you has made a valid reason why the addition should not be included. Most of all, you have added nothing. So I'm the only one that has contributed anything of substance to the talk page, where you have just made reversions.2601:182:C001:AAD1:ACF9:D78E:C819:213C (talk) 03:58, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

This shows that you have not done any research on the matter, why are you making revisions without doing your homework? I would consider that poor editing. It smacks of revenge editing to support your friend martin, who also did no research before making an edit that he assumed was not important. If the article is going to include other versions of the song, it should include all that are reasonably known. I would wager that the American Idol and Voice performances have probably been heard just as much as the other versions mentioned in the article, and definitely more than the Glee version. If you want to remove the American Idol version, then I think you should remove the entire category of 'other versions,' which I am amenable to doing. Otherwise provide some reasoning to counter my points here as to why it should not be included.2601:182:C001:AAD1:ACF9:D78E:C819:213C (talk) 04:47, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't think TV talent contest performances are notable. Not even those by guest artists. Chris Martin included. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, that is a very disappointing argument. I added the entry after coming to the page and seeing the Other Versions heading and it reminded me of the version performed by Katelyn Epperly on American Idol, because - well- it was notable. My addition was consistent with the other entries under the heading of Other Versions, it adds to the article as I 've discussed above, it does not destroy the integrity of the article, and I added 4 references although there are more that could be added. You have a strong feeling that the entry should be excluded, I'm really not sure why as you have not elaborated on your opinion. I have my guesses as to why you deleted my entry without any thought or research, but I don't wish to denigrate you. I'm sure you've made valuable contributions and protected against vandalism in the past. I offer the following: If you insist my entry not be included because it is not notable, I would ask that the Voice contestant's version and the Glee version also be removed. I believe this would be consistent at least. Do you agree?70.91.216.5 (talk) 13:48, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I’m very pleased that you “don’t wish to denigrate me”. But then I’m not quite sure why you suggest that I reverted your entry “without any thought or research”. I see that Katelyn Epperly is not notable enough to have her own article and that her name redirects to American Idol (season 9). So I’d imagine that’s the article where any details about 'her' choices of song for the show might be added. I would have no objection to the removal of the performances in Glee and The Voice. Perhaps if Ms Epperly eventually secured a recording contract and recorded the song on an album which was itself praised, or at least discussed, by multiple WP:RS sources, maybe then it could be added to this article. If there was consensus to do so. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:17, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

That's better, at least now you've put some thought into the issue. You still haven't responded to any of my points as to why it is notable. While Katelyn may not have her own Wikipedia page, the performance itself has been discussed and 'her choices of song for the show' are contained in multiple sources. Example ^[1] In this digital age of music, Katelyn did record and publish the song on iTunes. It was released on June 25, 2012, has a high popularity rating, and reviews by users. In the list of Other Versions, the only versions appearing on an album are from Willie Nelson and Aimee Mann, so we should knock out all other versions as well, no?70.91.216.5 (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

So pleased I've improved. Let's hear what other editors think. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:21, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 13 December 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved(page movernac)Flooded with them hundreds 11:05, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Scientist Song For Kids

The Scientist (song) → The Scientist – More than 16 years after it came out, the song has stood the test of time and is WAY more popular than any of the other topics.[4]Unreal7 (talk) 22:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. Misleading recognizable astonishing to the readers not conversant with Wikipedia's WP:THE and WP:DIFFCAPS. Pageviews should be a very small consideration for topics on commercial products, including songs. Promoters title things with deliberate ambiguity for catchiness for the unsuspecting. Finally, there is no advantage to any reader for removing from the title an essential feature of the topic, that it is a song. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:07, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• Neutral I think the 'song' helps the new reader find it and doesn't really hinder anyone. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:17, 13 December 2018 (UTC) 'I was just guessing at numbers and figures, Pulling your puzzles apart, Questions of science, science and progress, Do not speak as loud as my heart,' as they say.
• Oppose - too many significant entries on this disambiguation page being redirected from here - in particular the journal. -- Netoholic@ 05:59, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. In addition to the arguments already made, WP:PTOPICs accumulate bad links in which degrade the encyclopaedia. Narky Blert (talk) 13:58, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

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